Barristers plan escrow scheme for holding client money
The bar is looking into a scheme to allow barristers to hold client money through proxies, the incoming head of the bar said in his inaugural speech last night.
Michael Todd QC, who will take up office in January, said he is chairing a working group led by the Bar Council’s member services team to examine the feasibility of a service that would provide entities regulated by the Bar Standards Board and public access barristers with an escrow account facility in which client monies could be placed.
The account, he said, would be administered centrally by a third party. He said there had already been ‘considerable interest’ from a number of potential providers of the service. Todd said it is ‘imperative’ for the bar to invest in new ways of working. He told the Bar Council: ‘We have no entitlement to work. We must compete for it. We must invest better to adapt, to change, and to flourish. The returns on such investment are, in my view, undeniable.’
He said the bar had to be ‘lean, cost effective and responsive’, adapting to meet challenges and adapting its business models to fulfil the needs and expectations of clients.
To that end he said nearly 5,000 barristers have completed public access training and ‘many sets of chambers’ are establishing different ways of delivering legal services, either through contracts with other legal service providers, pairing arrangements with other chambers or block contracting arrangements. They are looking at the types of vehicle through which they can most effectively and efficiently deliver their services.
Elsewhere in his speech, Todd said the bar still had to persuade government and society of its ‘real worth’.
He said: ‘In order to get the government to invest in the legal services sector, and in particular in the bar, we have to persuade and convince them and the general public of our worth, of our essential role in the administration of justice, and that we are a profession in which investment is not only desirable, but essential.’
Todd said: ‘Let’s be honest with ourselves, to the majority of the population of England and Wales the bar is irrelevant. Irrelevant that is, in the sense that they never use our services. Indeed, they never have call for our services. They don’t really understand what we do, what our values are, what our role is in the justice system, and what our value to society is. Putting it simply, they don’t really understand our relevance.'
Todd said the bar had to demonstrate that it is not simply an ‘elitist profession resistant to change drawn from a tiny and privileged section of society, providing services for the benefit of the few people who can afford them’.
And that, he said, is a ‘major challenge’.
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Comments
DAS and now client funds
Will clients prefer barristers to solicitors?
Can solicitors use this
Can solicitors use this method of holding client money as well, we could reduce indemnity insurance costs to next nothing? Fat chance.
No, of course the SRA
No, of course the SRA wouldn't allow it for solicitors but you can bet the Bar will be allowed to use it.
The Bar is governed by people who want it to survive, not by people who wish to destroy it, as is the case for solicitors.
Escrow business deal deposit
Escrow business deal deposit accounts have been the norm , for international trade, within the majority of countries on this planet for decades and decades. Not the Uk however!
I was first introduced to the topic of Escrow business money deposit Accounts back in 1996 by a Lebanese businessman ( who now lives in Birmingham City, uk) who had been previously a Watch factory Marketing Director for a company in Germany, and also a Haute Couture fashion clothing sales business owner in Paris, France. The poor man was astonished that there existed no proper escrow system of depositing monies against business, and property and land deals, within the Uk back in 1996.He was so shocked that he mentioned the same subject five times as he felt that it isn't proper to deal with somebody without making deposits to an escrow account as part of a deal negotiation in business.
Bearing in mind most other countries consider Escrow Business Deposits as being the norm , and are confused by UK citizens who say that they know nothing of escrow!, I would suggest that it is a very good idea for modernisation of the Bar system and services.
How much business does the Uk lose from potential foreign clients on the basis that we do not adopt escrow procedures , for securing a business deal, where as they have been doing it for decades and decades.
Regards
Andrew Siddle
www.andrewsiddle.page.tl
www.siddle-trust.page.tl
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Sir Andrew Siddle B.Sc(Hons).,M.Soc.Sc.,M.B.A.,FPCS.,Property and land
law specialist going back to feudal Britain.
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* Member of the Law Society Property Section of Chancery lane, London.
* Fellow of the Property Consultants Society of Arundel, Sussex.
Solicitors From Hell
Today we saw what happened when the Law Society shut down free speech.
We have also witnessed law firms who are now using harrassment laws to shut down free speech.
Let's see what happens next.
Err,-it was the Law Society
Err,-it was the Law Society which took the action against SfH-not the SRA.
Your main point is valid, i.e. that the SRA has the real power and the Law Society is just a pressure group. However, the SRA is held out as being an independent part of the Law Society, whereas in actual fact it is not really a part of the Law Society at all and is totally unaccountable. But the Law Society allowed itself to take responsibilty so far as the public is concerned.
Law Society Property Section
I was not previously aware of the Law Society Property Section, so I looked it up. According to the Law Society website, membership of the Property Section is open to practising property solicitors, with associate membership being open to licensed conveyancers. Given that Sir Andrew Siddle (see http://www.thisisannouncements.co.uk/10293816?s_source=clmi_innl) describes himself as a member of the Law Society Property Section, can he clarify whether he is either a solicitor or a licensed conveyancer? I note that his website states that "By profession, I am a Law Society Property Section specialist, of the academic category...".
His posting about escrow business deal deposit accounts misses the point of this article entirely. The article is about holding client money. It has nothing to do with escrow business deposits.
Certainly... I have always
Certainly... I have always held membership of the Property section under their "academic" member status. This being because through public policy research , ( The United Kingdom Centre for Urban and Regional Studies et al), I have contributed to public policy law research in the field of rural land access legal rights that has led to items of policy such as the Countryside and Rights of Way Act 2000. Though not specificallt this statute as opposed to others of a similar public policy content.
Having said this as an ex member of the RICS and NAEA, and also a member of the Property Consultants Society since the year 1990, I am not reliant on membership of a law society specialist section and understand that property and land law specialists are normally only Bar Council members. In other words my membership is of the status is as an academic contributor to property and land law policy. ( you will see that the property section have an academic section for membership on the website in addition to the general solicitor membership)...we contribute to the public policy research leading to the writing of statutes which solicitors then have to administer and enforce!
Best regards
Sir Andrew Siddle
www.andrewsiddle.page.tl
www.siddle-trust.page.tl
You miss the point entirely!
You miss the point entirely! The holding of business deposits are the holding of clients account money and always have been since the very first year that Escrow first commenced as a method of dealing with monies as client support services in respect of a proposed business transaction ,that hasn't yet occured, because it is in the process of negotiation still..
The fact that annymous does
The fact that annymous does not understand that Escrow Business deposits , on future negotiated deals, are "clients money deposits" would suggest that he/she does not undertand client accounting regulations and HMRC requirements for clients account standards. This being the case then he/she requires further CPD in client account regulations and the nature of Escrow Deposits in respect of business deals in the process of negotaiation.
A deposit , made against a future business deal which is yet to be finalised in terms of final details, is and has always been, a client money deposit which under and Escrow arrangement is an Escrow Account monetary deposit against a future transaction. In other words the money may only be held by an agent, or lawyer, in an Escrow clients account, until the deal final details have been finalised.
Sorry about the typos! Havn't
Sorry about the typos! Havn't got time for this sort of thing......earning money is what I am interested in and not free chats...............................
P.S:- I see you are quoting a
P.S:- I see you are quoting a spam Leicester newspaper article at http://www.thisisannouncements.co.uk/10293816?s_source=clmi_innl
I can assure you that I do not have an LLM and never have had.
The article is by a Leicestershire newpaper where as I am a meber of the Northants, Rose of the Shires, community, who has zero interest in Leicester City culture!
Is that clear enough for you????????
OK????????
All clear
I'm sure that's all very clear. But the connection between this article and escrow business deal deposit accounts remains obscure. As I understand the article, it's about the more general question of barristers holding client monies.
Are you stupid or
Are you stupid or something???? I have just told you that a clients escrow business deposit is a category of money that is classified as "client money" on the international business market scene....what is wrong with the world...why are you all so stupid and dim??????? If a barrister takes a deposit of money , in business ( any form of business or potential service), in respect of a future event that may or may not happen then that barister has just taken a deposit that is defined as "clients money"! "Clients money/monies", within the Uk, must always be held in a separate bank account to general office monies or a crimminal offence could potentially have been committed under accounting law and regulations. If an escrow account exists then a clients business deposit, in respect of a future negotiated deal as not yet agreed, must also be held in that escrow account as part of the defined classes of clients money to be held within such an account!
I think that it goes without
I think that it goes without saying that "escrow" will have to be the norm for international business and professional allied services, including the United Kingdom. This being because the United Kingdom are one of the only International trading countries who don't operate this kind of arrangement already!!