Society: SRA should invite bids for failures’ caseloads
The Law Society has suggested that the Solicitors Regulation Authority should invite firms to bid for work from failed firms to cut the cost of interventions, the Society’s chief executive revealed last night.
Desmond Hudson (pictured) was addressing the Conveyancing Association, following the SRA’s revelation earlier this week that it had already used up 10% of its entire annual budget intervening in failed firms.
The SRA said it had spent £1m on Yorkshire firm Atteys and £800,000 on Birmingham firm Blakemores after both practices failed to find a buyer.
By Easter, said Hudson, the SRA will have used up the amount budgeted for spending on interventions, the cost of which ultimately falls on the profession.
Instead of paying other firms to handle the files of failed practices, Hudson suggested that the SRA invite firms to bid to take on their caseloads.
In the wake of the demise of Atteys and Blakemores and the high-profile collapse of Manchester firm Cobbetts in January, Hudson warned: ‘We need to be careful about talking about a crisis, as banks listen.’
‘Banks already have a negative view of our sector currently, especially if your practice is exposed to personal injury work or legal aid,’ he said.
In the continued poor economic climate, Hudson warned firms to give careful thought to the role and obligation of their compliance officer for finance and administration (COFA).
‘Regulators may look to COFAs as a new weapon in their armoury,’ he said, and may want to know about the adequacy of a firm’s capital reserves, its distribution of profits and financial resilience.
‘If I were a COFA I’d look at these issues and discuss them with the senior manager,’ he added.
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Comments
Poor judgment
Let's hope this was an off-the-cuff comment. Leaving aside the fact auctioning client files is inherently unprofessional and raises all sorts of questions about confidentiality, why would it save any money? Someone would have to audit the files and value them in order to know how much they should be sold for. Would that exercise really be any cheaper than an intervention agent disposing of the files in accordance with the wishes of the clients?
Auctioning clients
I do not agree that auctioning firms is inherently unprofessional. It is quite common for businesses to be bought and sold and benefits the creditor and ultimately the clients of the legal profession who have to pay less for regulatory costs. The issue is how the changeover and tender list is handled. If the SRA selects a firm that is likely to give good value for money service to the clients and pays departing staff to ensure an orderly hand over that is much better than just saying to clients " go and find yourself a new solicitor". The process however does need to be buttressed by making it easy for clients who do not want stay to move on. From an outsiders perspective the SRA appears to an extremely expensive and inefficient organisation - maybe absolute power has corrupted absolutely.
Like a referral fee you mean?
Referral fees are only bad in PI claims then?
Referral Fees under a different banner?
So referral fees will be banned...unless it's paid to the SRA???
Is that what is suggested?
SRA = Solicitors Referral Agency?
I'll get my coat.
Like a referral fee you mean?
Referral fees are only bad in PI claims then? But not when a PI caseload is up for grabs.
Making things worse
TimB is right. It's completly unacceptable for the SRA to be seen to be selling off clients to the highest bidder. Just imagine the headlines in the Daily Mail. No, a more carefully thought out scheme is needed. The best way forward is the firm in dire straits to be told to dispose of the workload in order to avoid an intervention.
Fee earners would have to look at their files and deal with file disposals on a case by case basis. I anticipate that a lot of the clients will have been bought in in the first place and have little allegiance to "AcMeGoGoLawyers" and be quite happy to take the file to a local firm, thus spreading and simplifying matters.
And what about............
TUPE?! Take the files, do you have to take the staff? Some you may want but others would cost money to make redundant.
When firms go bust, the cost
When firms go bust, the cost to the regulators is huge. They should try and obtain as much as they can to limit the cost to the profession.
There has always been a feeling that under the table deals are done with files once a firm goes bust and this would make it much more transparent and open to all but first an audit must be performed to establish what the true value of what exactly is on offer.
Errr, excuse me!
This is fundimentally flawed and repugnant. The client is at liberty to instruct whom they wish, subject to undertakings on costs wherever any recoupable costs have actually been incurred by the client - that is all that the SRA or the Insolvency practitioner is entitled to!!!
Bearing in mind that the
Bearing in mind that the Banks were not represented at the CA meeting and did not hear Mr Hudsons words I thought the bit about not talking about a crisis in case the Banks are listening was good advice and decided to keep my thoughts to myself not realising that the Society was going to publish the advice on the internet.
Based on experience of files
Based on experience of files from solicitors that have been subject to an intervention I would not bid to take on the files and the liability.
Sounds like tickets on the Titanic after it started to sink.
so you hold a dutch auction
so you hold a dutch auction for the lowest bidder to get the work to save costs.
and then the winning bidder has bid such a low price that they can't manage the process and go bust
so the SRA intervene.
I'm glad my Professional Body thinks these things through.
I'm not sure that allowing
I'm not sure that allowing firms to bid for work would cut the cost of interventions. There are numerous commercial factors that would need to be taken into account when taking on more work not least working capital requirements. Presumably time would be of the essence causing further risk taking by some bidding firms and the instability could ripple outwards even further.
There is however, a lack of joined up thinking when it comes to the clients, particularly legal aid clients where the choice of alternative solicitors is limited. The clients are often vulnerable, particularly if they are involved in public law proceedings and they need local help that they can readily access.
The LSC are content to transfer certificates but the SRA appear to require an undertaking to pay over all the costs ultimately due to the intervened firm. It sounds straightforward enough but it doesn't take account of the risks and investment that are inherent in taking over legal aid files which, because of the LSC payment regime impact heavily on working capital and generally require the support of the firms bankers.
Even assuming everything has been done in scope, the costs already claimed may not be allowable on assessment creating POA's for recoupement and the new firm may not be able to complete the matter within what would otherwise be reasonable cost limitations so the new firm stands to be prejudiced on costs. Invariably the files will be costed to the maximum leaving the new firm without the ability to properly manage claims.
In the meantime, if firms don't want the risk (and I'm not sure that they should for the protection of their own businesses) the clients remain unrepresented and cannot get access to justice.
The risk for firms taking on these clients needs to be removed or at least minimised or controlled to avoid further failures. If the LSC could issue a new certificate that may help. Alternatively, risk could be valued into the price that a firm was willing to pay for the work already undertaken and the matters transferred subject of course to client consent.
The real answer of course is ...
.... pay a proper hourly rate for the job being done, stop knocking off an odd random £200 here an there to save money, simplify the whole ridiculously complicated, time consuming and constant rule changing legal aid billing system to one simple system and then pay the bill within 14 days - then most firms would have no cashflow issues and there would be fewer interventions. Our ONLY problem is with the LSC!!
i think its a good idea
What’s wrong with the current intervention system is you need to be a faily full service firm to get on the panel. Why? –the is ever more specialist so a big well run well resourced PI specialist firm is ideally placed to intervene in a collapsed PI practice
They could do that at no charge to the profession (SRA) so no referral fee as they might then pick up the ongoing PI cases and do a good job on em. I say might as clients should be advised they can instruct any solicitor of choice, perhaps list of PI panel firms enclosed or summink. The current system where the intervening firm is paid by all of us (SRA) and then gets a load of work free is ludicrous
But we live in ludicrous times so I am not holding my breath for sanity to return anytime soon
Yet another half baked, ill
Yet another half baked, ill thought out suggestion from the idiots in Chancery Lane.
What have we done to deserve these clowns?
Trebles all round
Glad to see the profession is getting value for the £407,000 it paid to the Chief Executive of the Lasw Society for 2011/12 (see page 60 of the annual report "The highest paid member was the chief executive: Salary and benefits £376K Pension contributions £31K").
£407 k unreal
unreal.
History of Interventions and the Law
At the turn of this century and before an intervened firm could be transferred to another firm for nothing and in exchange that other firm would do all the intervention work for nothing. A good deal which saved the Law Society a fortune but some bright spark in the Law Society decided an obscure case on fiduciary duty of trustees meant they could no longer do this. It is time to revisit that case and decide if that bright spark was right.
The problem with Des Hudson's idea is that there is no property in clients and so a sale of clients may be impossible.
Budget
Before the debate goes any further, the SRA should provide a detailed breakdown of the sums which it has spent on intervening in firms since the beginning of the year. How much has been paid to Capita and how much has been paid to each of the eight firms on the SRA's panel of intervention agents? The SRA must have these figures and the profession should be allowed to see and comment upon them, before there is any more talk of taking money from the Compensation Fund.
The procedure for intervening should also be reviewed. Intervention is like a freezing order and search-and-seizure order rolled into one, but without the involvement of any court and without any cross-undertakings in damages. If the SRA genuinely believes that an intervention is required, it should not have any objection to going to court on an ex parte basis and asking for an order which sanctions the intervention.
Amazing.....
......how our representative body leads by example in demonstrating the benefits of effective communication between senior colleagues within an organisation.
I am referring to the comments made by Lucy Scott-Moncrieff on this very website just 4 days before the above article was published. The PRESIDENT of our Society categorically (and voluntarily) stated that those who had made comments about paying for files from an intervened firm were wrong. In fact, she questions where that idea has come from....from her Chief Executive perhaps ???
For those who are interested, I've posted a link to the article - Lucy has made a couple of comments in response:-
http://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/lawyers2you-latest-victim-pi-bloodbath
I wonder what the SRA could have possibly said to the Law Society in the last 4 days that has caused such an about-turn ?????
Totally improper suggestion
In order for any firm interested in acquiring the files to make an offer it would be necessary for them to have access to the files themselves, or a large enough sample, to assess them to be able to make a sensible offer.
The files of a failing firm could be "Lexcel" or similar perfect order, or may be a terrible mess.
Clearly the state of files materially affects the cost to the purchaser of completing them, and thus being able to fairly assess their value.
Unless the auction was on the same basis as the sales of unclaimed "lost luggage" from airports where the bidder buys suitcases hoping the contents value exceeds the amount paid, it is impossible to see how the sale of the files of the failing firm can take place without allowing inspection.
How is it possible to allow any "Tom,Dick or Harry" to have access to files without totally breaching the rules as to confidentiality?.
The physical organisation of allowing such access to files, apart from the totally improper and unprofessional idea I trust indicates as suggested by TimB above "his was an off-the-cuff comment" and not a serious proposal.
Successor Pracitice
Could one of the issues preventing a purchaser coming forward for the failed practice be that they run the risk of also taking on their claims record. If that could be ring fenced and left with the run off cover of the failed firms insurers the purchase would become more attractive and result in fewer interventions. Could the insurance industry be persuaded to adopt this approach on the basis that they will all have potential failed firms on their books as well as potentially successful firms? After all if there are no firms of solicitors left then there will be no-one to insure.
A sensible start
Guys stop the grief. We live in desperate times and we need solutions to match. This idea is not as daft as some think, why the distaste in selling a firm to the highest bidder if it saves you forking out? I posted Friday about a capital adequacy requirement and the more I think of it the more attractive it becomes.
Bidders
As I read the article, Mr Hudson was talking about selling files, not selling firms. In any event, you're assuming there are any bidders. As I understand it, Blakemores was trying to find a suitor, but could not do so, with the result that the intervention occurred. I get the impression that the SRA was highly relieved that Cobbetts did find someone (DWF), because it meant the SRA avoided incurring intervention costs (which it estimated at £6 million). One wonders whether, had Cobbetts been a smaller concern (with lower estimated intervention costs), the SRA would have intervened.
There is also the point that not all interventions are the same. The SRA has said that the decision to intervene in Blakemores was not based upon any suspected impropriety. But what about a case where the intervention is based upon suspected dishonesty involving (for example) repeated involvement in mortgage frauds?
It may be that a version of Mr Hudson's idea - or your suggestion of a capital adequacy requirement - will have to be considered, along with lots of other options. But it might have been advisable for Mr Hudson to think his idea through a little more fully before airing it. At the moment, this looks like a knee-jerk reaction to the risk that a significant chunk of the Compensation Fund is going to be spent on intervention costs. The first question the Society should be asking of the SRA is "right, let's see where and how you've been spending all this money on intervention costs".
Yes I agree with you. There
Yes I agree with you. There may be no interested parties, a firm intervened for fraud is worthless, this begs the question of whether the reason for intervention would be disclosed, also a lot of files are fast moving and time is of the essence and could not wait for a bid process. All this needs a great deal more thought. I am already annoyed about the CF - that is, our CF - being used for ABSs, using it to fund the cost of interventions is beyond the pale.
Compensation Fund
I'm not convinced that it would be lawful to use the Compensation Fund to help the SRA with the costs incurred in interventions, though that seems to be what the SRA is mooting. At first glance, Rule 2.8(d) of the Compensation Fund Rules 2011 allows it, but that Rule may be inconsistent with section 36(1) of the Solicitors Act 1974, which provides that the Society "may make rules concerning the grant of compensation by the Society in respect of loss that a person has suffered, or is likely to suffer, as a result of...(c) the exercise by the Society of any of its powers under Part 2 of Schedule 1".
It is not immediately obvious why this allows a Rule which permits the SRA to take intervention costs from the Fund. Such costs are not a "loss" and, in any event, section 36(1)(c) is surely aimed at losses suffered by a third party (not by the Society or the SRA) as a result of an intervention.
If the Fund is also there to cover ABSs, it would seem even more unwise to dip into it now for the purpose of paying intervention costs: at present, it must be impossible to estimate how much of a drain on the Fund ABSs could prove to be.
Litigate if you dare
Why don't you try and litigate this point and see how far you get. When judges hear the words "SRA Intervention" a red mist descends and the QC for the SRA is quickly asked what he wants and is given it. Those words trump everything even accusations of racism which would normally have judges labouring to be shown to be absolutely even handed.
Unrecovered costs of
Unrecovered costs of suspicion of dishonesty interventions have always come out of the compensation fund.
Litigate if your dare. You
Litigate if your dare.
You are so correct, SRA/Judge/QC same envelope. Result 100% win record.
If we believe that 100% record is justified we really are in need of a touch of
cranium reflexology.
Intervened victim? Forget him he is sole practitioner or small company man
he has no funds to proceed, the SRA have taken care of that. This looks like
the application of the law in Iraq or Libya prior to the "Arab Spring". In a nutshell
completely and utterly immoral and wrong.
But it is not the Intervention that is the problem it is the process of
intervention that needs to be analysed by independent committee of legally
trained people, as the system currently in place only allows the SRA to intervene
in sole practitioners or small companies.
But I suppose we should regard ourselves very fortunate in this country that none of the
larger groups of legal companies or the magic circle companies ever makes an accounting
error of a mistake that needs to be challenged. At least not by the SRA.
Even if they were to err, I am sure that the SRA would be onto them. Ooophs there I go
again away with the fairies. I forgot they only get involved after the event with large companies.
Time indeed for a Solicitors Spring.
History of interventions and the Law
Anon (who posted under the above on 15.3.2013) makes a good point - namely up to 2000 and I believe a little later, an intervened in firm could be transferred to another solicitor immediately, so continuity was not lost and there was no need for The Law Society to send in solicitor agents at great expense and disruption. I'm involved with just such an issue at present. I'd much appreciate Anon contacting me asap (nigel_adams@btconect.com) with whatever further information they have, particularly with details of the case or other law which resulted in The Law Society dropping this concession.
History of Interventions and the Law
My post of 17.3.2013 misspelt my email, which should be nigel_adams@btconnect.com. I look foward to hearing from Anon of 15.3.2013 and anyone else with useful info.