• Anonymous#CommentAvatarLabel Commented on: 2015-12-18T14:28:21.860

    Dominic, (14/12 07:56) have you tried Clerksroom's online barrister booking service? They don't charge travel, they have barristers all over the country, and you dictate the fee! http://online.clerksroom.com/

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  • Anthony Martin#CommentAvatarLabel Commented on: 2015-12-15T18:38:58.623

    On the Small Claims issue:-
    Any person may exercise rights of audience in proceedings dealt with as a small claim in accordance with rules of court; but a lay representative may not exercise any right of audience where his client does not attend the hearing, at any stage after judgment, or on any appeal brought against any decision made by the district judge in the proceedings (The Lay Representatives (Right of Audience) Order 1999, SI 1999/1225, art 3(1)).

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  • Anonymous#CommentAvatarLabel Commented on: 2015-12-14T20:49:47.857

    Dominic,

    I blame the DJ's. They are inevitably overworked and concede this, but really. Look at the difference between a Mags Court case on a CMC or CMH and the Civil equivalent.

    The reason for the difference is that the Criminal Courts have always had to think hard and fast.Usually costs are reserved until afterwards. There are no or few ridiculously complicated 'forms'. The DJ and /or their clerk or a clerk on case management delegated powers works quickly and efficiently through a pile of paperwork (usually they have experience through dealing with bail apps and the likes).

    I despair at both DJ's (more then usually male DJ's who seem it have something to 'prove' whereas their female equivalent are much more balanced), and the admin support they have.

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  • Dominic Cooper#CommentAvatarLabel Commented on: 2015-12-14T19:56:41.873

    On the one hand the Bar Council are right. Too many "agents" or "advocates" etc represent either litigants in person or debt collection agencies. In such cases the agents obviously act without adequate supervision, training, duty to the court or liability if anything goes wrong.

    Indeed I am currently acting for a client who is suing one of these outfits, a non-legally authorised body who apparently act as experts in evictions for landlords and letting agencies, which they do by issuing the possession claims (online, pretending to be the client), photocopying a specimen signature of the client onto court forms where necessary and instructing unqualified agents to represent at the hearing.

    On the other hand, when I deal with out of town litigation, I almost always use agents. [The excellent Keith Jeffreys solicitor from Swansea beats all the other agencies hands down BTW].

    If we have a criminal matter in a magistrates somewhere, you will get a junior counsel for a reasonable fee, commensurate with what you are asking them to do. Most chambers will have someone who will do it for £100 to £250 plus VAT for hearings such as pleas, etc.

    But if you have the civil equivalent, the clerks just seem to think they've struck gold. "Oh well, sir, Mr XYZ has looked over the papers (all 10 pages of them) and it will take about half a days' prep, three hours travel and waiting and 30 minutes for the Allocation Hearing itself, so it will be £950 plus VAT."

    Or we can use an agent who will charge an order of magnitude less than that.

    And they wonder why nobody instructs them. It shows too in terms of experience. Whenever I deal with an opponent from the junior bar on some sort of low level interim application, or summary judgment, strike out, specific disclosure whatever, the lack of their experience is obvious. Most of them treat it like it is an Inns of Court mooting competition, reciting hundreds of paragraphs of procedural drivel and spending minute after minute boring the DJ reading the White Book out verbatim.

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  • Anonymous#CommentAvatarLabel Commented on: 2015-12-14T17:45:48.500

    http://www.lawgazette.co.uk/law/right-of-audience/57199.fullarticle

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  • Richard Peter Whitehurst#CommentAvatarLabel Commented on: 2015-12-14T17:09:30.290

    I was under the impression that the court can give anyone permission to address it. I, as a solicitor, appeared before two High Court judges (Maurice Drake J and Tasker Watkins J - both 24 ct gentlemen) to save my clients, who'd won late on Friday having to pay/risk recovering a refresher and to release counsel on Monday when they were to be told why. "I'm sure your instructing solicitor can apply for his costs." said with a smile.

    What seem to be needed here is for the CPR to be clarified or amended.

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  • Auntie Eadie#CommentAvatarLabel Commented on: 2015-12-14T16:46:04.200

    I think James Montgomery has got a good point. Times have changed so much that the old rationale for separate professions has passed. We need to bite the bullet and have the professions fused. As one who has practised in a fused profession state i.e. Western Australia, I would say that it works very well. They have a voluntary register of members who undertake only the barrister's role, and therefore cannot take on clients directly.
    This situation here would remove the ill will which has built up.

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  • Anonymous#CommentAvatarLabel Commented on: 2015-12-14T16:33:26.087

    This is as clear a case of a monopoly seeking to preserve its privileges under the guise of public interest as I've seen.

    The reason that I and others use LPC (in my case) is that they do a damn good job at a far more reasonable cost than employing m'learned friend.

    The days of easy money in litigation (or at least the sort of everyday litigation that I deal with, sadly not involving Russian oligarchs) have gone for good. As solicitors we have had to take a hit, but learned counsel seem to think that they should somehow be immune.

    When they finally wake up to reality and offer services at a reasonable price I'll be happy to instruct them. But until then they can whinge all they like; I'll continue using agents.

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  • Anonymous#CommentAvatarLabel Commented on: 2015-12-14T15:55:24.010

    @Anonymous14 December 2015 02:49 pm:

    Self preservation and in-fighting within the Professions, its all getting very fraught and nasty now isn't it. Will unregulated advisers be in for the same treatment ?

    Just wait until the regulators start at each others throats for survival.

    The British Legal System in 2015.

    Just where is Derry Irvine and the Cronies, or was it Austin Mitchell and Maggie Thatcher who started the rot in 1990.

    An embarrassment to all involved who have openly poured oil toxins into the ecosystem that was (past tense) the envy of the world.

    I COULD NOT AGREE MORE.

    ANYONE FOR UNFAILABLE 'PROFESSIONAL' EXAMS, THAT ACTUALLY AID SOCIAL MOBILITY ACCORDING TO THE LAW SOCIETY (THOUGH NO-ONE ELSE DOES THAT I HAVE SPOKEN TO WELL AID INTO NON-JOBS WITH A £40K TAB ATTACHED FOR 'ACADEMIC' 'TRAINING' - IF THAT IS SOCIAL MOBILITY).

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  • Ian Beeby#CommentAvatarLabel Commented on: 2015-12-14T15:47:37.337

    I agree that the interpretation of the Bar Council appears to be very narrow. Indeed, many agents have appeared in public hearings having been given leave to do so by the judge. There are also cases where matters that should be heard in private or in chambers, whichever you like, are heard in open court because the judge feels like it. The lack of consistency certainly puts everyone on notice that they need to be diligent.

    The self-employed bar ought to be shooting at bigger targets in my view.

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  • Paul Nicholls#CommentAvatarLabel Commented on: 2015-12-14T15:32:55.823

    So that puts Solicitor-Advocates in a very comfortable situation then?

    Interesting....

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  • James Montgomery#CommentAvatarLabel Commented on: 2015-12-14T15:13:29.423

    I think you would all be better of with a fused profession at this stage - at least HMG's "divide and rule" strategy would be far less effective, in all probability.

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  • Anonymous#CommentAvatarLabel Commented on: 2015-12-14T14:49:57.333

    Self preservation and in-fighting within the Professions, its all getting very fraught and nasty now isn't it. Will unregulated advisers be in for the same treatment ?

    Just wait until the regulators start at each others throats for survival.

    The British Legal System in 2015.

    Just where is Derry Irvine and the Cronies, or was it Austin Mitchell and Maggie Thatcher who started the rot in 1990.

    An embarrassment to all involved who have openly poured oil toxins into the ecosystem that was (past tense) the envy of the world.

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  • Anonymous#CommentAvatarLabel Commented on: 2015-12-14T14:01:57.107

    If the bar is right that has just deprived solicitors' clerks of any right of audience in small claims; mortgage possession hearings; directions hearings and the like all of which are in public (even if in District Judge's room with the door shut).

    It may also have deprived solicitors of a right of audience before High Court Masters, Registrars and District Judges in High Court matters as solicitors' rights of audience in public hearings in the High Court turn on the fact that no pre-1998 audience rights were abrogated.

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