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Perhaps TLS and the various other representative bodies could now direct the public and political debate away from legal aid rates of pay and instead concentrate on access to justice and how that is to be achieved. The Government has got away with its slaughter of our justice systems because "the fee" has been the main point of discussion-and Joe Public doesn't want lawyers to get a penny of taxpayers' money. However, access to justice is a topic on which Joe Public might just agree with the lawyers.