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This is making for interesting reading and any time the matter of LiPs arise it is always emotive.

To David you say the increase in contact orders is due to LiPs but on what report or factual basis are you making that statement? It could be down to Judges steering more to contact where possible or just down to the parties being involved wanting contact. Each case turns on its own facts and there is nothing to support your assertion.

To J, the use of statistics to say that more mothers kill their children than fathers is also flawed. You give statistics on how many are killed by the parent, but where are the statistics on whether those parents who killed their children were the primary custodian and what percentage they were of the total. For example more mothers may have sadly killed their children, but if 98% of mothers had custody, 800 against 29 actually sways the other way. You cannot just spout a statistic out of context - as we all know they can be used to make any point you choose.

The other comment that lawyers should not be involved in civil cases at all is ridiculous. Funnily enough most of the LiP cases referred to here are family cases. To say that all civil cases should be run without lawyers is ridiculous - what about the client who is scared to face their partner or the victim of clinical negligence making a claim against the hospital that ruined their life and health? Should they be forced to be alone?

The system as it is is flawed. I stay away from civil litigation work out of choice and accept there are bad lawyers out there (I have heard from clients of particularly divorce lawyers causing problems making an amicable split turn sour) but there are many more incredibly competent and hard working lawyers who do a fantastic job and the profession are always going to be behind that majority.

One of the problems for LiPs (which I do sometimes find from clients) is that they do not necessarily grasp the relevant point and can go off tangent or have gotten the wrong end of the stick based on something they read from google. Again, there are LiPs who do a great job and thoroughly research and understand their case, but not all. The only major problem for LiPs over lawyers is that to the LiP the case is usually personal and very emotive and it can be difficult to distinguish the emotion from the law especially where children are concerned.

For what it is worth to the male LiPs posting, part of the reason I have always stayed away from family work is that I hate the bitterness that often ensues as most splits are not amicable and despise that children are often used as weapons against the other party (both by men and women) .

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