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I think we all recognise that there is a very valuable role for civil servants - but as a former civil servant , and legal aid practitioner, I think we all have to recognise there is no comparison between wages being frozen ( which legal aid rates had been in most areas between 2000 and 2012 in any event ) and the cuts that then ensued which will easily reach 30% when fully imposed, and that's if you are lucky enough to have a viable contract after October 2015, which over 1000 practitioners won't ......when I was a lad we used to dream of pay freezes.........