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Martin, in relative terms we don't pay in a lot to the EU. We give me in Foreign Aid than we do in contributions to the EU so to say that's "possibly more than they are worth" is worrying considering the amount of trade we get in return...

I said it was a smaller picture issue in the sense that focusing the EU debate on immigration isn't productive. I agree allegiance is of crucial importance, but it is not conducive to discussion to focus a complex political and socio-economic issue on immigration alone.

Not sure why the term 'europhile' is being thrown about, it seems everyone in this thread is 'out' camp. Its called a discussion. When your on one side of an argument its imperative to consider the other and to evaluate and analyse the potentially different points of view... or should we all just blindly spurt out our opinions without any sort of retort?

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